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Friday, 14 November 2014

Save more than 60%. No need to invest???



Today, at lunch. Uncle8888's female colleague in her early 30s asked this question:

Can save more than 60%. No need to invest. Right?























Walau!



This is the first time, Uncle8888 tio this type of question: No need to invest!


Hmmm ......




Uncle8888: When do you want to retire?

She: 62 to 65


Uncle8888: How long can you live? 100?

She thought for a while.

She: 100? 

She: OK. 100




Can save more than 60% and that means spending less than 40% per year.

60% saving = 1.5 years of expenses

Assume she retires at 62 and lives till 100 i.e 38 years in retirement

She can work for another 30 years and saves more than 45 years in retirement. 

Plus her earlier saving in her 20s and plus her CPF saving till 62.


45++ 


Should be more than enough. Right?

Uncle8888: Yeah! No need to invest!

Her face brighten up and smiles!














What do you think?


31 comments:

  1. Replies
    1. You mean I miss the chance to be naughty if she want to learn investing?

      LOL

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  2. Inflation will erode that savings. After 20 yrs, $100 becomes $50 with an inflation of 3.5%. No buffer leh, dangerous..

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    1. Her salary will increase every year to help offset inflation. She may have another 2 to 4 promotions over her career with 10% to 15% salary adjustment. Not forgetting her year end bonus saving of 50% for another 30 years.

      Human Asset and High Saver is doable!

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    2. How to fight inflation?

      Best way to get promotion every few years by climbing corporate ladder and save more from monthly income and year end bonuses.

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  3. But that's for current income. I think if you have more money, you have more to worry about inflation. Those money that you locked up in bank in fixed d are losing progressively more money as you earn more. Not sure if it'll turn out alright. It's like compounding in a reverse manner.

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    1. Think you are thinking of preservation of wealth?

      Some is just thinking of doing asset drawn to last their lifetime and not too worry about wealth preservation.

      I am planning for asset drawn too for retirement income for life and less worry over investment return. No need to leave behind too much money. LOL!

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  4. Aiyah...傻人有傻福。sometimes we make things complicated. You win some, you lose some.

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  5. More dangerous than inflation is lifestyle inflation. This lifestyle inflation is very difficult to catchup or offset. LOL!

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  6. Ah, things are much clearer now. If asset draw down, indeed no need to care much about inflation. Thanks for clarifying :)

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  7. Hi Uncle 8888,

    Not everyone is comfortable with money in the stock market.

    And since it appears do-able for her, why not? Better than put in the market and everyday can't sleep. =p

    Can get higher returns by pumping into CPF after drawdown (65) since Minimum Sum will keep increasing. 4% interest rate. Otherwise, can consider SGS bonds. ~3% also good!

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  8. Nothing is impossible. No right no wrong but no harm learning something new too.

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  9. Like my ATM wife. My investment plan for her is to continue to do ATM withdrawal instead of asking her to learn investing and later tio con and asset draw down even faster. LOL!

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  10. i have a Q. Does she has an iron rice bowl? If yes maybe possible as your calculations is chun right?

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    1. She got pretty face!

      You can see in Singapore there is growing number of rich, single old men. Right?

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    2. Naughty! Naughty! Are you implying like SMOL? Then it is "SDOM" lol. And not SMOL.

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    3. These rare super savers can survive in hard times. Good times they are super savers. Bad times they are super survivors. Little doubt about it. Right?

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  11. by World Financial Group

    Your savings, believe it or not, affect the way you stand, the way you walk, the tone of your voice. In short, your physical well-being and self-confidence. A man without savings is always running. He must. He must take the first job offered, or nearly so. He sits nervously on life’s chairs because any small emergency throws him into the hands of others.

    Without savings, a man must be too grateful. Gratitude is a fine thing in its place. But a constant state of gratitude is a horrible place in which to live. A man with savings can walk tall. He may appraise opportunities in a relaxed way, have time for judicious estimates and not be rushed by economic necessity.

    A man with savings can afford to resign from his job if his principles so dictate. And for this reason he’ll never need to do so. A man who can afford to quit is much more useful to his company, and therefore more readily promoted. He can afford to give his company the benefit of his most candid judgments.

    A man with savings can afford the wonderful privilege of being generous in family or neighborhood emergencies. He can take the level stare of any man ... friend, stranger or enemy. That ability shapes his personality and character.

    The ability to save has nothing to do with the size of income. Many high-income people spend it all. They are on a treadmill, darting through life like minnows.

    The dean of American bankers, J.P. Morgan, once advised a young broker: "Take waste out of your spending; you’ll drive the haste out of your life."

    If you don’t need money for college, a home or retirement, then save for self-confidence. The state of your savings does have a lot to do with how tall you walk.

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  12. Can't agree more!

    Don’t Get in Over Your Head

    Finally, although much of the research in this field is on spending money rather than saving it, the researchers agree that spending more than you can afford is a route to misery. Taking care of your basic needs and achieving a level of financial security is important.

    Prof. Gilovich says that although his research shows that life experiences give more happiness than material goods, people should of course buy the essentials first. His findings hold true across a broad range of income levels and demographic groups, but not for people with very low incomes. “Those people don’t really have discretionary income; it pretty much all has to go on necessities,” he says.

    Some studies, meanwhile, have shown that debt has a detrimental effect on happiness, while savings and financial security tend to boost it. A survey of British households found that those with higher levels of debt reported lower happiness, and a separate piece of research on married couples showed that those in more debt had more marital conflict.

    “Savings are good for happiness; debt is bad for happiness. But debt is more potently bad than savings are good,” Prof. Dunn says. “From a happiness perspective, it’s more important to get rid of debt than to build savings.”

    So before you go out and spend all your money on a dream vacation, make sure you’ve taken care of the basics, paid off your debts, and have enough money to shield yourself from the worst of life’s troubles.

    “Financial advisers are actually right,” Prof. Howell says. “The first thing you should be doing with your money is building up a safety net. If you go into debt to buy these great life experiences, the stress you’ll feel when the credit-card bill comes in will probably wipe out the good that you got from the experience.”

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  13. Sorry! Encounted some posting problems. Please delete extra postings.
    Thanks.

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  14. CW,

    You are right! No need to invest if one can earn high and save most of it ;)

    Even better if we marry well!

    In my next life, I'll like to become an expat wife. Let that mule work and invest his ass off to pay for my lifestyle ;)

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  15. never let your/a woman know how much $$$ you have. It will spell trouble one .

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    1. Bias statement!

      Not all women are spendthrift, men have destructive behaviour too!

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    2. Ha! Ha!
      You must have forgotten to apply the practice of "opening both your eyes before marriage and close one eye" only after marriage. This is barring unforeseen circumstances of being mesmerised.
      If you don't care or bother about it before marriage then why now (after marriage)?
      Nobody can be blame but yourself lol!

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    3. If we are not publicly known that we have money then we should act poor and don't show off.

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    4. Ha! Ha!
      No lah!
      Don't have to act poor.
      Act naturally.
      The things you possess and the way you manage your money will be observed by friends or kins. They will think they are so much better off than you. This will make them happy. And if they are in financial difficulties, naturally they will think you are the last person to be able to loan them any money.
      Why ?
      They always think you are worse off then them what!
      Even now.
      Ha! Ha!

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  16. Well said by:

    Mr Tan: Then also don't need money mah. Why the need to invest for money if there are no other wants?


    Guess her reason for not investing? Not that many wants. LOL!

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