I started serious Investing Journey in Jan 2000 to create wealth through long-term investing and short-term trading; but as from April 2013 my Journey in Investing has changed to create Retirement Income for Life till 85 years old in 2041 for two persons over market cycles of Bull and Bear.

Since 2017 after retiring from full-time job as employee; I am moving towards Investing Nirvana - Freehold Investment Income for Life investing strategy where 100% of investment income from portfolio investment is cashed out to support household expenses i.e. not a single cent of re-investing!

It is 57% (2017 to Aug 2022) to the Land of Investing Nirvana - Freehold Income for Life!


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Showing posts with label Education - Property vs Stocks. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Education - Property vs Stocks. Show all posts

Thursday, 22 June 2017

Property Investing - doing the Math (Part 4)


Read? Property Investing - doing the Math (Part 3)


Sunday, 4 January 2009

Property Investing - doing the Math (Part 3)
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I have sensed that some of those superfriends are getting ready to invest in property. I presume investing in Sinagpore 99 years Leasehold property as investing in Freehold property would need huge capital and highly leveraged.


CW8888: Wah! It took 8 years for Experts to sound this wake up call in the newspapers as worthy news.


Saturday, 20 May 2017

Cash Flow : Rental Income From One Investment Property vs. Dividend Income From Portfolio Of Stock?


Read? Property or Stocks???


What is the drastic difference?

Rental income from ONE investment income is Binary while dividend income from portfolio of stocks is NOT!





Sunday, 9 April 2017

Home worries surface as lease expiry looms

Read? Home worries surface as lease expiry looms

Read? Sunday, 4 January 2009 Property Investing - doing the Math (Part 3)

You look at the date of this blog post.

Sunday, 4 January 2009

It was years way ahead of what the mainstream is now talking about it!

I have sensed that some of those superfriends are getting ready to invest in property. I presume investing in Sinagpore 99 years Leasehold property as investing in Freehold property would need huge capital and highly leveraged.


You can understand why Uncle8888 chose to maintain silence when they were actively engaging each other. LOL!


Friday, 21 October 2016

Property or Stocks??? (2)


Read? Property or Stocks???

That day; we were talking about one investment property for rental income as "passive" income. Of course; during good times it is passive income ; but during bad times rental income may drop to ZERO for X or XX months. Still passive? But for portfolio of stocks for dividend income; it will not drop to ZERO. 


There is no free lunch in investing. Just choice!



Wednesday, 22 June 2016

Passive Income From Rental

 
Highest yield now is 3.7%!
 
 
 
 

Friday, 1 August 2014

DBS : The latest new add into Uncle8888's FreeHold





















With 28 cents interim dividend declared for H1 2014; Uncle8888 now has total of five "FreeHold" stocks.

103% Yield on Cost for holding a strong blue chip like DBS!

DBS is a leading financial services group in Asia, with over 250 branches across 17 markets.


Sometime it is hard to believe; but good thing does happen.


















Many Singaporeans will love FreeHold properties so Uncle8888 will fool himself into believing that he is building one unit of 1 Bed Room FH Condo near Hougang MRT Station. 

His FH Condo is progressing well. It is about XX% completed.

He is targeting at least $5K net rental yield per month for his FH Condo.












Friday, 3 May 2013

Property Investing - Case Study 5



Read? Property Investing - Case Study 4


Read? One Of The Best Negative Yield Asset We Can Buy


Best Negative Yield Asset

Uncle8888's investment return on his 4 room HDB bought in Feb 1985 in the same location.

XIRR = 7.4% over 28 years



Good Positive Yield Asset

Uncle8888's long-term stocks holding XIRR over 11+ year = 16.9% also not too bad.





Saturday, 19 January 2013

Property Investing - Case Study 4



Read? Property Investing - Case Study 3 (edited)

Uncle8888 came across this:

4 NG for sale
Corner High Floor
All races/ Prs eligible
Minutes to Mrt/ Hougang
 
SGD 470,000


Property fantastic return???


Uncle8888's investment return on his 4 room HDB bought in Feb 1985 in the same location.

XIRR = 7.4% over 28 years

Fantastic???

What do you think?







Tuesday, 10 July 2012

Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks? (4)

Read? Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks? (3)

Why he doesn't like stocks but love properties?

He was badly burnt by stocks in 1987 Oct Stock Market crash.

In finance, Black Monday refers to Monday October 19, 1987, when stock markets around the world crashed, shedding a huge value in a very short time. The crash began in Hong Kong and spread west to Europe, hitting the United States after other markets had already declined by a significant margin. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) dropped by 508 points to 1738.74 (22.61%).[

By the end of October, stock markets in Hong Kong had fallen 45.5%, Australia 41.8%, Spain 31%, the United Kingdom 26.45%, the United States 22.68%, and Canada 22.5%. New Zealand's market was hit especially hard, falling about 60% from its 1987 peak, and taking several years to recover.

He sweared never to touch stocks again and switched to properties. He currently owned two fully paid properties for rental income and for his retirement cash flow. He said that he is unlikely to sell his properties for capital gains unless he is forced to do that.

Why he loves properties?

  1. You don't have to really worry about property cycles whether it is up or down when you are earning more than enough to pay for your home mortgages.
  2. Your tenants are also helping you to pay part of your mortgages.
  3. After XX years, you are sure that the properties will become yours. You are absolute owner!!!
  4. But, for stocks, they belong to the stock market; you can never be sure even after XX years are these stocks still yours???
The Moral of Story

When investing in properties, eventually one day the properties are yours; but it is not sure for stocks. Are they still yours?


Uncle8888's Thought on his story of investing in properties and not stocks

If your investing goal is for passive income stream during retirement, this investing strategy can be thought of a long-term saving target that has been set and then you saved towards that saving target via paying mortgages. That property can also serve as contingency fund in the later years.

It is like putting your life time saving into properties instead of banks and your tenants are helping you to save even more. In this case, property market cycle is irrelevant and you can sleep peacefully at nights.










Saturday, 4 February 2012

Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks? (3)

Read? Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks? (2)

Are stocks right for you?

I don't know about you; but I know that stocks are right for me. Why?

I heard them from my own ears and saw them in my own eyes. How not to believe that stocks are not right for me?

Read? The truths behind the ideas of making money in the stock market.

Now that I become the "Loa Jiao" and let me tell you my experience with stocks:

The total realized profits from 94 rounds of Kep Corp short-term trading and total stock dividends collected from Kep Corp over the past 10 years (2001-2011) are more than enough to pay for my two older children's 4-year university education plus  all their personal accountable living expenses.

Are you right for stocks?

Stocks may be right for you; but are you right for stocks?

This will require honest and serious thinking on your own part to do a self-discovery about yourself. Are you right for stocks? Is your mind and soul able to take the volatility of the stock market? How is your 3M's - Method, Mind and Money helping you?






Thursday, 2 February 2012

Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks? (2)

Read? Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks?

Act of Partial Divestment in stocks

In properties, you can't do partial divestment but you are comforted by the monthly cash flow from rentals and it helps to keep you in good spirit and wait for the right moment to come. You can wait for real long time for it to come.

But, in stocks, the ease of partial divestment and many right moments seem to come more often than expected and it will induce you to sell to comfort your soul. This very Act of Partial Divestment may be stopping many of us in becoming rich in stocks.

Ask Peter Lim.

How did he become Billioniare? Did he sell his stake in Wilmar when it was 2-3 bagger?

Want to be rich in stocks? Think again. Is this Act sinful in becoming rich in stocks?

Monday, 30 January 2012

Why it is easier to become rich from property and not stocks?

We are more likely to hear people becoming rich in properties than in stocks. Read and understand the wisdom from Soros and you will know why?



"It's not whether you're right or wrong that's important, but how much money you make when you're right and how much you lose when you're wrong." ~ George Soros

Risk and Substantial Stake

Even you are good at picking a few multi-baggers in your portfolio; do you have substantial stake in these multi-baggers to become rich?

Do you dare to take up significant risk to build up high stake in these high growth stocks which may be your potential multi-baggers to become rich? How many people have steel balls?

In property investing, the story is different, you don't need to have steel ball to play because once you are in it. You already put up substantial stake without even noticing it and even leverage up to play this game.

You become rich not because property is a good investment instrument. You actually become rich because you are less risk averse and you put in substantial stake and leverage it up. That is the reason why it is easier to become rich in property and not stocks.

The moral of the story.

To become rich, you must be comfortable with risks and put in substantial stake. If your multi-baggers are not among your top holding in your portfolio, it is very hard to become rich in stocks.  You may be better off doing property investing.




Sunday, 8 January 2012

Understanding the Concept of Demand and Supply

Passive Income - Rental vs Dividend Yield (3)

Understanding the Concept of Demand and Supply

I believe most of us know what is Demand and Supply in Economic theory; but allow me to take it a bit further into passive income.

How do we get paid for passive income?

Read? Saving, Lending and Investing (3)

For interest on saving, coupon on bonds, dividend on stocks, we are in the Demand side; but NOT in the Supply side of getting paid for our capital. We basically demand yield and that is all about it.

However; for rental on properties it is different, we are in the Supply side; but NOT actually in the Demand side of getting paid for our capital. When we supply, people are expecting us to provide some level of basic services to meet their demand (expectations). Some unexpected demand can sometime drive us nuts. Similar to some nasty internal and external customers and bosses at our workplace with their unexpected demand are driving us nuts too.

See the big difference between Supply and Demand of getting paid for passive income. I rather stay in the Demand side.













Passive Income - Rental vs Dividend Yield (3)

Someone said:

"I have been reading on your blogs that your plans on achieving financial freedom and passive income through stocks investments.

I would like to hear your views on why you would not consider passive property rental income as part of your passive income? I believe you have your bullets and so...just curious and would be glad to hear your thoughts."
 
Read? Passive Income - Rental vs Dividend Yield (2)
 
Why I prefer stock dividends as passive income?
 
Stock dividends as passive income is truly passive as it doesn't require lifting a finger to receive them; but it will require strong heart to ride the emotional roller coastal ride across market cycles of bulls and bears.


A portfolio of diversified stocks and good money management to scale in and out the amount of investing capital according to market condition it will help to mitigate portfolio risk and stabilise the heart.

Monday, 26 December 2011

Passive Income - Rental vs Dividend Yield (2)

Read? Passive Income - Rental vs Dividend Yield

What you will not find in property rental as passive income.

To receive unexpected special dividends down the road and especially when the special dividends are fairly large. Shiok!!! The key here is unexpected. Really shiok!!!



For examples, see below


Monday, 5 September 2011

Another Debate On Property Or Stocks Investing (9)

Read? Another Debate On Property Or Stocks Investing - Part8

I often read in the blogs space, forums or cboxes that one of many reasons why you should invest in property is something like this: "The difference is property market won't be like stock market, simply it will not crash to zero value."

Last Sunday, I flipped through one property investment book that was written by a local Singapore author. He similarly said something like this too in his book.

The type of reason given is either naive or misleading.

Investors may dump most of their money into a single property and leverage up; but no sensible investors will dump most of their money into a single stock. Whoever does that must be a dumb. Most likely, they will invest  their money into a portfolio of stocks. A portfolio of stocks will not crash to zero value too. Get it?

Thursday, 21 July 2011

Some tenants in arrears hold landlords to ransom

Createwealth8888: When you are unlucky, you vomit blood in earning such investment income. Earning this type of income is really suck!

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SINGAPORE: With Singaporeans increasingly turning to renting out their apartments for extra income, more disputes are flaring up between landlords and tenants, according to lawyers and property agents. And it is not only the landlords who are giving their tenants headaches.


Anecdotally, complaints of landlords being held ransom by tenants in arrears and refusing to move out are increasing.

Property agent G Rajan told Today that three out of 10 rental disputes in the last two years he handled, were from landlords. He said: "It's a lot of legwork and time spent going after the tenant."

A recent case involve a couple who were unable to drive out their tenant.

Mr Poh Boon Kay, 62, and his wife got SP Services to terminate the utilities account on March 7, hoping that this would prompt their tenant to move out.

However, the tenant lodged an objection to the termination. He got his lawyer to send a letter to SP Services citing that he was still residing at the premises and that termination of the tenancy was being disputed. The utilities services were restored.

In a letter to Mr Poh - which was seen by Today - SP Services said that, under the Electricity Act, it had an "obligation" to "supply utilities to occupants who require the supplies".

It added: "We have an obligation to reinstate the account opened by the tenant given that there is no sufficiently strong reason why we should not reinstate the account."

Mr Poh said his tenant "identified himself as a property agent and said he had clients and he would sign the tenancy agreement on their behalf". Mr Poh added: "Later, we found out that he had sublet the unit to some foreign women."

When contacted, the tenant declined comment.

In another case, nautical engineer M Gopalan said his tenant thrashed his Azalea Park unit and left him with S$4,400 worth of repairs.

The tenant also defaulted on payment three months into the tenancy and refused to vacate. Fortunately for Mr Gopalan, his property agent managed to contact the tenant's brother and eventually persuaded him to leave.

For most landlords, their only recourse is the legal route - taking out a court order to repossess the property and recover the arrears. But this entails cost and time, said lawyers.

Lawyer Abdul Rahman noted that a tenancy agreement is usually geared "towards the protection" of the landlord, and that the landlord has the "full option of the law" to go after the errant tenant.

Mr Rahman added: "(Landlords) need to cut their losses but the longer it takes to evict the tenant, the more the landlord is at the losing end ... There have been cases which went on for as long as four months in the courts."

Friday, 21 January 2011

Another Debate On Property Or Stocks Investing - Part 8

Read? Another Debate On Property Or Stocks Investing - Part 7

Another debate during lunch break on investing  properties vs stocks ... investors are getting excited over opportunity in investing in properties soon.


Sometime, I don't understand why property investors taking second or third housing loans to leverage themselves to take bet on properties don't really see leverages as double-edge sword. It can kill too!


Read? 3M's - Inside Investor's Mind

Is this happening in the property investor's mind?
Optimism Bias: Believing that you are above average and that misfortunes are more likely to befall others

Read this story. She didn't even invest. She just needed a home to stay and bad thing could happen.

Read? debt-free — and that, to me, is richness enough

Monday, 6 December 2010

This man believes in equities. So do you?

Lee Su Shyan, Assistant Money Editor

Mon, Jul 16, 2007
The Straits Times

HE HAS been known as the remisier king for years, but given his new-found zest for solar energy, perhaps Sun King ought to be Peter Lim's new title.

But that might not work either, given the vast fortune he has squeezed out of palm oil.

There is one thing you can bank on: Mr Lim is not getting his head turned by come-hither looks from the hot property sector; stocks are still his thing.

'I'm an equity person,' he told The Straits Times. 'With equities, you don't know how the story will end. But when the market turns, you can sell your shares and get out in three days. You don't need to know the buyer.' (Createwealth8888: This is exactly what I like about stocks - ease of selling. When my sister migrated, she took more than a year to sell her property at her stated price and her property agent told she must be damn lucky to be able to sell at that price.)

Try that with bricks and mortar: 'With a house, you put it on the market, buyers come and criticise it, pay you a deposit, and three months later, don't even settle.'

While he counts some of the country's top property players among his friends, real estate development is just a matter of 'timing', he insists; the rest is up to architects and engineers.

Mr Lim, 54, is back in the spotlight following his bid to use Rowsley to swallow a huge China solar power firm, but he will always be remembered in financial circles as the guy who made as much as $100 million in just six years as a remisier.

His clients included then Indonesian president Suharto's son, Bambang, and then Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad's son, Mokhzani.

Mr Lim called it quits in 1996 at the height of the bull run and retired from Kay Hian James Capel amid a messy divorce from his wife.

He is still retired - sort of. Deals still hold an allure for him, like the one involving his mainboard-listed Rowsley, which has a market capitalisation of around $145 million.

The company announced in May that it was going to gobble up the business of a solar cell manufacturer, China-based Perfect Field, for $2.7 billion - a deal that would be Singapore's largest-ever reverse takeover and one that has left some investors sceptical.

He is enthusiastic about the solar energy sector. 'There is no doubt there is global warming. Our island is going to disappear.'

'China has been criticised as being the world's biggest polluter. This sector can grow very fast. Look at Nasdaq: Companies in that sector are trading at 40 or 50 times earnings. Whoever is the first mover will have the advantage.'

Whether the Rowsley deal will score remains to be seen, but Mr Lim will have few worries, given his stellar investments.

One, a stake in fashion retailer FJ Benjamin, has grown from about $13 million to $60 million over five years.

But that is small change compared with the stake he took in 1991 in a firm founded by sugar king Robert Kuok's nephew Kuok Khoon Hong that eventually grew into palm oil giant Wilmar International.

Wilmar, which listed here last year, has a market value of $22.1 billion, making Mr Lim's stake of just under 5 per cent worth about $1 billion.

He admits that his vast return on an investment that was only in the region of US$10 million (S$15.1 million) is like 'a fairytale'.

'I can't say I invested in the right company, because at that time, there was only a vision. The potential palm oil plantations were just swamplands,' he said.

'It was at the Equatorial Hotel. I spent a few hours with (the younger) Mr Kuok. This man made me feel very inadequate. He had a vision, and could explain, step by step, how to attain this vision.'

But that 'quality face time' is in a nutshell how Mr Lim decides on all his investments.

'I must see his face. The person should be master of his trade, and should be honest.'

Saturday, 11 September 2010

Another Debate On Property Or Stocks Investing - Part 7

Read? Another Debate On Property Or Stocks Investing - Part 6

Someone commented: "No statistics, but most people who aren't millionaires and are not good at investing will have a better chance at becoming a millionaire from property investing than stock investing."

Inherent Emotionally Positive Feeling

  1. Rarely, will retail property investors shake their heads on "losses" on their property investment as most of them will strongly believe that in the long run property prices in Singapore have only one way to go - UP!
  2. The property will be MINE when one day it is fully paid either through rentals or mortgages or both.
  3. Rarely, will retail property investors check their valuation of their properties at such high frequency e.g on daily or weekly basis. 
So there exists this inherent emotionally positive feeling in investing in properties. It is good for those can't ride the emotional roller-coaster stock market to save up and invest in property and avoid being emotionally trapped in the stock market.
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