I started serious Investing Journey in Jan 2000 to create wealth through long-term investing and short-term trading; but as from April 2013 my Journey in Investing has changed to create Retirement Income for Life till 85 years old in 2041 for two persons over market cycles of Bull and Bear.

Since 2017 after retiring from full-time job as employee; I am moving towards Investing Nirvana - Freehold Investment Income for Life investing strategy where 100% of investment income from portfolio investment is cashed out to support household expenses i.e. not a single cent of re-investing!

It is 57% (2017 to Aug 2022) to the Land of Investing Nirvana - Freehold Income for Life!


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Welcome to Ministry of Wealth!

This blog is authored by an old multi-bagger blue chips stock picker uncle from HDB heartland!

"The market is not your mother. It consists of tough men and women who look for ways to take money away from you instead of pouring milk into your mouth." - Dr. Alexander Elder

"For the things we have to learn before we can do them, we learn by doing them." - Aristotle

It is here where I share with you how I did it! FREE Education in stock market wisdom.

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Showing posts with label Education - Trading - Loss. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Education - Trading - Loss. Show all posts

Sunday, 21 April 2019

Negative Equity - Can you can survive out of it? (Refresh)

Sunday, 15 February 2009

Read? Negative Equity - Can you can survive out of it?


Walau! Wrote this blog post 10 years ago!


When you are forced to top up, it means that you now are forced to potentially LOSE MORE THAN what you have intended i.e. up to $50K. NOW YOU ARE FORCED TO POTENTIALLY LOSE MORE THAN $50K. Furthermore, you can't be sure what is the LIMIT of Potential Losses like. You are cornered to continue the Game of Trading with more money or GET OUT.

What if you liquidate your positions as you do not want to add more capital or have no more capital, your equity level will drop more and you have lesser ability to recover with a smaller equity.

So using MARGIN OR LEVERAGE is not only about controlling and understanding RISKS, people DO NOT often think hard enough about it. ARE YOU PREPARED TO ADD MORE MONEY TO CONTINUE THIS GAME? If yes, then margin or leverage, is not a bad idea too.


Experience in the market is not measured by years, but by decades of experiences of watching and hearing those horrible life stories of those (especially friends and relatives) under-capitalized market players without Angels supporting them got wiped due to listening or getting advices from those BIG BROTHERS or BROKERS. If you are forced OUT OF THE MARKET, then there is virtually NO way for you to recover. To recover your losses or paper losses, you have to be in the MARKET in time to ride on the recovery.





Wednesday, 22 March 2017

You All Investment Bloggers Like to Make Investing Look So Easy (2)


Read? You All Investment Bloggers Like to Make Investing Look So Easy


Avoiding those large losses that deplete our investing capital till recovery looks almost impossible is the key to the final outcome of long investing journey and strictly comply to this principle.


3 Ms - Method, Mind and Money Management!

What did you actually see? 

What is that key to avoid portfolio destruction till no chance of recovery?





Read? 
持有蟹货切忌沟淡


宝龙(1238)于2009年上市,上市后多年潜水,好不容易才于3月9日浮上水面,突破当年上市价2.75元,由潜水到浮上水面也等于是清除了所有的蟹货,有助股价再往上升,因此,3月9日之后,股价走势也相当不错,再往上升11%。

股票投资与赌博的差别

过去,我就是宝龙蟹货的长期持有者之一,股票投资与到赌场赌钱最大的不同点就是买了股票后,股价下跌成为蟹货仍然可以死守苦等,期间有股息收,足以自我安慰,只要不是倒楣地买中老千股,迟早是会回本的。

到赌场赌钱就不一样,买大开小,钱就失去了,永远失去了,想翻本就要加注,加注的结果往往是欠下一身债,这也是为什么我经常劝股民在买了股票之后,股价下跌时不要沟淡,沟淡有如在赌场输了加注一样,加了几注,沟淡多几次,口袋里没有钱了,换个惨痛的结果。

持有蟹货不要增持

如果你手上有蟹货,第一件事是先衡量那只股会不会是老千股,如果不是老千股,请不要沟淡,不加注,耐心地持有等股价回升,期间收股息,学会忘记了这只股,进入“手中有股,心中无股”的境界。

哦!买中老千股怎么办?我也没办法,不过,记住千万不要加注,若遇上供股千万不要参与,再加码参与只会亏更多钱。

有时看电视、听收音机,一些股民在买入股票之后,股价下跌2%已经很紧张地打电话问专家怎么办,一个人如果无法面对2%账面值的下跌,他应该先检讨一下自己是否适合炒股票,股市最大的敌人是自己的心理弱点。


Saturday, 22 October 2016

Can trader keep on winning? (Good to refresh)


Read? Can trader keep on winning?


That day when we were talking about trading ...


CW8888: The secret of winning for much longer time is to become Trainer to earn course fee and selling reports/materials on top of some selectively sample trades of  " I Can. So You Can!"

When one stays too long in the battlefield and then one day got killed also didn't know how and why?



Saturday, 26 March 2016

Losses: Realized or Paper Losses. Be Ourselves And Fill Our Own Wallet!!!


Stop loss?

Cut loss?

Realized losses!

Paper losses!

Real or imaginary losses?

What is Uncle8888's thinking on real or imaginary losses?



 
 
 
By his past 16 years with Depth (9.x cm) and Weight (3.5 Kg), all commonly understood points, theory or concepts on stop loss, cut loss, real or imaginary losses are well taken and noted. Most importantly; he understood it financially!

ALL losses whether REAL or IMAGINARY were financially accounted on daily basis and marked to the last stock market closing price.

No illusion!
 
Financially and Mathematically accounted!
 
 
 



Stop losses are for traders. Cut losses are for investors - CW8888

Can anyhow say meh?

The two components of 3Ms - Method, Mind, and Money Management i.e. Mind and Money management.

It is all in our mind and money management.



For traders who are trading for a living; they may have little choice but to trade as often they SHOULD in order to make money from the stock market; otherwise they will be eating Wind. 

With such frequency of trades can they still survive without stop loss strategy in place?

For traders, the so-called "cut losses" are actually poorly executed stop loss.

Be clear about it. Are you trading or investing for long run and you have no doubt that your war chest will be growing too?


For retail investors who are into wealth building phase over year after year of market cycles and keeps pumping new money into your war chest; it is should be how long and how deep can you stay in this Game of Investing?


Do you continue to add more new money on top of old money in your war chest?

Do you still need to add new money from the stock market on top of old money in our war chest?

Is your war chest is running too low?



Losses: Realized or Paper Losses.

Be Ourselves And Fill Our Own Wallet!!!

BUT, no illusion over losses!

Most importantly, you shouldn't come to the stock market with your new money that you need them over the next 5 to 7 years.

This type of new money; you better keep it safe somewhere.

Two cents view from this Old Man!



 





Saturday, 19 March 2016

DBS : V Price Recovery!


Uncle8888 is big fan of "loon" instead of cut loss to relieve pain!

The Past is not the Present and the Present is not the Future!

The best is to size our positions correctly at our investment portfolio LEVEL to avoid any damaging financial consequences due to a few bad decisions or grave mistakes.

Cut loss at the wrong turn is equally painful!

Do or do not. There is no try - Master Yoda



Monday, 12 October 2015

Not Anguish Over Paper Losses???



Let Get Real!

Not just anguish; sometime it may be depressive too!

Paper losses are RELATIVE to our account size and net worth. 

Large % drop on paper losses relative to our net worth can be anguish or depressive!

Look closely at icons. It is exactly Uncle8888 felt about his paper losses. 

Best is to avoid getting into large paper losses and anguish no more!







Thursday, 10 September 2015

Losing Money is part of The Game!!!



Scare of heat?

Don't be a Cook!

Scare of losing money?

Don't come to the stock market!

It is extremely difficult NOT to lose money!


 


Sunday, 20 April 2014

Contrarian, Stubborn or Stupid???


No Exit Plan and no Stop-loss!

So is Uncle8888 being Contrarian, Stubborn or Stupid?





Losing is part of the Investment and Trading Game!



Lost your money in the stock market?


Don't be discouraged!

It is pretty normal.

It is quite natural.

It is part of the Game.

Over time, we will have to pay some tuition fees to the other market players for their lunches and one day we will learn to be skillful enough to eat other market players' lunches.


Read? Where Does The Money In The Stock Market Come From?


Read? Why do I keep losing in the stock market?

You can see that Uncle8888 also lost his money in the stock market too; but he is still getting stronger!




 
 
 
 
 
 
 









Monday, 9 July 2012

He won $70K in a day; but lost so much more

Sat, July 7, 2012, ST

Sleepless. he had gone to the casino one night in Jun 2010. He won $1,000 that night and another $1,000 the following day. On the third day, he won $70,000 and "it changed my life, he recalled.

But his winning streak quickly turned into a long run of losses, and soon, he was steeped in debt, owing $70,000 to banks, money-lenders, friends, distant relatives and family members.

Createwealth8888:

Sometime in life, our easy and big winning may not turn out to be a good thing; but may one day come back to haunt us even more.

In 2007, I bet big and won big. Of course, I thought I finally discovered the Secret of making money in the stock market and become rich from stocks.

Feb 07: $36K
May 07: $23K
Jul 07: $28K
Oct 07: $16K

Lowest win was $2.6K

But in 2008 I lost all back to the market and even more just like the man above.


The Moral of the Story

It is usually our initial big winning that may eventually lead us to our SUPER losses when we think that we may have found the SECRET.

Our initial big losses may actually be a blessing in disguise to prevent us from doing more foolish thing in the future.
















Sunday, 6 November 2011

Playing The Game of Leverage (11) - Win Big or Lose Big

Read? Playing The Game of Leverage (10) - Counterparty Risk in Trading CFDs

Leverage is a double-edged sword. You can win big or lose big. Win big? Really?

Win Big if you get it right? Not necessay. But, Lose Big if you get it wrong is definite.

People seldom like to talk about their losses as it is loss of face to admit their losses and look silly too. People will like to boost about their big winning and for some winning small also talk big.

The truth is that when we are highly leverages, we are more likely to exit our winning positions sooner than expected so we are more likely to miss winning really big. Another thing is that market rarely gap up a lots but more often it will gap down a lots. When we are caught with such huge market gap down, the damage is already done and it is too late to regret.

In 2006/2007 Bull Run, on 28 Feb 2007, STI suddenly fell -4% on that day in reaction DOW overnight -3.3% plunge. I have lost $21,126 on that fateful day by closing out all positions. I have suffered the biggest one day losses since active trading and I think it will be so as I no longer believe the idea of Win big or Lose big by using leverages.

Read? Trading Performance Review

Tuesday, 26 October 2010

Can trader keep on winning?

History of two Great Traders

Read? Jesse Lauriston Livermore

Through unknown mechanisms, he yet again lost much of his trading capital, accumulated through 1929. Thus, on March 7, 1934, the bankrupt Livermore was automatically suspended as a member of the Chicago Board of Trade. It was never disclosed to anyone what happened to the great fortune he had made in the crash of 1929, but he had lost it all

Read? Richard Dennis

In the Black Monday stock market crash of 1987, he reportedly lost $10 million,[8] with a total of $50 million reportedly lost in 1987-88.[2] In 1990 his firm settled investor complaints of his failure to follow his own rules, for over $2.5 million, without admitting or denying any wrongdoing.[9] He also managed funds for some time in the mid and late 1990s, closing these operations after losses in the summer of 2000.

Friday, 20 August 2010

The Greatest Lesson that I have learnt from my losses!

Read old posting on? The Cruel Math of Big Losses - II

The greatest lesson that I have learnt from my losses is not either the need to further improve skills on technical or fundamental analysis but to keep LOSSES small and to cap the destructive power of the market against invested capital deployed in the market.

I have learnt that once your capital is invested in the market you have absolutely lost your control over it. The market will decide your fate. The only trusted and proven thing to do is to limit your losses to the lowest % of your invested capital as it is so much easier to recover with smaller losses as clearly shown in the older post.

Tuesday, 10 August 2010

The Cruel Math of Big Losses - II

Read The Cruel Math of Big Losses

Why I like to diversify into 20-25 stocks of different sectors by building a Noah Ark portfolio - a pair of each kind is good enough to survive the Great Flood.

I could afford 1 stock in the Noah Ark portfolio to wipe out 5% of my total capital and the rest of 19 stocks just need to make 5.3% each for the portfolio to breakeven.

When a portfolio is too diversify, we can't make fanastic gain neither do we lose so badly.

Saturday, 8 May 2010

Are you emotional ready to face more losses in your portfolio?


"Unless you can watch your stock holding decline by 50% without becoming panic-stricken, you should not be in the stock market." - Warren Buffet.

"If you have trouble imagining a 20% loss in the stock market, you shouldn't be in stocks." - John (Jack) Bogle

Thursday, 1 April 2010

Losing Money In Investing or Trading Is Common

"A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from them, and strong enough to correct them." - John C. Maxwell

Losing money in investing or trading is common except few people are willing to talk about it openly.

So are you man enough?

Tuesday, 3 November 2009

The Cruel Math of Big Losses

If your stock price declines 10%, it takes about an 11% gain in stock price to break even.

If the drop in stock price  is 20%, you need a 25% gain to recover.

A fall of one-third requires a rebound of 50%.

And if your stock price falls by 50%, "you need a double," or a 100% rise.

Can you see how cruel Math of Big losses?

So ask yourself how often and how long will the stock price take to double?

You will feel the pain and agony of sitting on big losses even it is just paper losses. See the table below for how much gain in stock price will it take to recover?


Thursday, 1 October 2009

Trading Performance Review

Peter Drucker once said, “What gets measured, gets managed.”

Since 1 Nov 08 that I have given up the fast exciting active contra trading (or gambling) after three successive months of contra losses:
(Total net losses in 2008: $160K
 Jan:$76K, Aug:$68K, Sep:$18K, Oct:$31K) for a slow moving position trading, how am I doing now?


1. ROC from 3.8% to 34.3% (I don't use stop loss so no negative ROC)

2. Holding Days from 1 to 329 days (some of those sins committed in 2008 and cleaned up)

3. Average ROC: 11.9%

4. Average Holding Days: 59.7 days

Next performance review at end Dec 09.

Thursday, 17 September 2009

Gambler's Losses and Investor's losses

When a Gambler goes to Casino with $50K to gamble, he knows that due to bad luck he will lose all his $50K. The Gambler can live with the $50K losses. He knew it. It can happen!

But, when an Investor goes to Stock Market with $50K to invest, he will never expect that he will lose all his $50K. If the Investor ever lost $50K in the Stock Market, he may not be able to take it. He may be traumatic about his losses.

Gamblers know their losses while Investors are shocked by losses. See difference.

Thursday, 21 May 2009

Investor danger psychology of loss is worse than pain

by Philippa Huckle
Sunday Morning Post, January 23rd, 2005

We all suffer from loss aversion - the psychology of giving more weight to losses than to gains. And we are hard-wired against danger in the form of a genetic phenomenon, otherwise known as the fight or flight response.

For investors, this survival instinct has important consequences. The investment universe operates entirely in the realm of uncertainty. To be a successful investor
you have to get a handle on risk. Webster's dictionary defines risk as "the possibility of loss or injury; peril". We've survived as a species because our ancestors were psychologically programmed to avoid risk. As a result, our emotional safety mechanism is wired to instinctively shy away from a potential loss.

In simple terms, this means we find it hard to remain invested for the long term. Given the chance, as investors we'd rather bolt for the exits in down markets.

Studies in Behavioral Finance reveal that we feel the pain of loss twice as much as the pleasure of a corresponding gain. For example, $10,000 will upset you about twice as much as gaining $10,000 will make you happy - but this isn't the end of the story. Loss aversion has some unexpected implications for investors. Imagine you owned a sound investment which delivered good long-term returns of 15 per cent per annum with a low volatility of 10 per cent standard deviation.

Using these figures we can calculate the probability of this investment delivering positive returns over various timeframes. There's a 54 per cent chance it will be up on any given day; a 67 per cent probability of positive returns over any one month; and a 93 per cent chance of positive returns in any one year. We can see that the longer we're invested, the more likely we are to get positive returns. We can also see that it's perfectly normal for investment returns to be negative for a certain percentage of the time.

In this case you can expect a positive return in about 67 months out of a 100, and a negative return in the other 33 months. These down periods are perfectly normal even while the investment is busy delivering its 15 percent annualised return over the course of time.

When we look at this on a daily timeframe, our calculations tell us to expect a positive result 54 days out of 100, or just over half the time. So we'll feel good half the time, when the investment is up. The problem is that, being loss averse human beings, we'll feel twice as bad the other half of the time, when the investment is down. So as a result of this, if you're checking the price daily, you will quickly become emotionally overwhelmed. You will feel twice as much pain as pleasure, and your survival instinct will scream at you to avoid this situation at all costs. You will be very tempted to end the pain by selling - even though the investment is behaving exactly as expected, and the long term returns are on track. Overwhelmed by the psychological pain of short term loss, we find it hard to remain invested for the long term.

In 1883 Chancellor Bismarck set 65 as the retirement age for the world's first government sponsored retirement scheme. Back then, before the discovery of antibiotics, and when life expectancy was far shorter than today, only a few percent of the population lived past this age.

So people received salaries that lasted for practically their whole lifetime. But thanks to advances in modern medicine and better living conditions, today's average life expectancy is 80 years - leaving us with about 20 plus years of retirement to finance. As a result, we are all forced to be long term investors.

Coping psychologically with investment risk is a bit like visiting the dentist: we do it because the consequences of not doing so are far more painful. We must face the pain and grudgingly accept risk, because if we don't, the consequences are far worse - like running out of money in our old age, being forced to downgrade our lifestyles, or being unable to finance our children's education.

A better understanding of our investor psychology will help us to manage our instinctive genetic response to risk. Each of us needs to set clear financial goals; diversify our capital into an asset allocation properly formulated across uncorrelated market cycles; and commit to a rebalancing strategy. We then need to overcome our inherited, knee-jerk reaction to temporary short-term loss. Lessen the pain; check your statements less frequently, and give long term market probabilities the opportunity to work to your advantage.

[From Creatwealth8888: Think like Property investor, do they evaluate the value of their property every day?]

Philippa Huckle is founder and CEO of The Philippa Huckle Group, an independent advisory firm.
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