True. We like to bluff ourselves when come to market with so many "proven" methods as shown by many and yet when come to ourselves in the market we lose money.
From: I don't know and can anyone show me how to short without leverage?
To: I go double-check about CFD (you making a comment about CFD when you have not once tried it?)
To: I now have all the answers! Thank you very much!
;)
In case you were wondering what has transpired? That's the power of coaching!
Agree not agree does not matter. Makes sense not make sense not important too.
I can feel the PASSION and STRONG EMOTIONS in your every word! Now that's coming from deep WITHIN temperament ;)
Imagine if you had shared with us your bad expperiences or personal discomfort with shorting from the very beginning. Even if there's a legitimate way to short without leverage, you wouldn't do it.
See the difference?
It was never about leverage or CFD or brokerage having all the cards ;)
Superb! Just say what you really feel and think! Its OK one. Really!
All mutual funds can long only like you too. The same goes for ETFs (unless its a short ETF).
For active long only fund managers, if they are bearish, they would get into higher percentage of cash. That's the only way they can mitigate the "loses" in a bear market. Relative performance remember?
If STI drops -20% and their funds "only" sank -8%, its outperformance for the win!
Can ETF managers get into higher cash? Outperformance on the way up may not translate to on the way down... Let's see whether active mutual funds will beat passive ETFs in the next bear market. It would be interesting!
One arm swordsman is indeed powerful! Totally agree with Cw :)
Provided we don't fall asleep on the wheel like in 2008...
Why CFD?
ReplyDeleteNeed to leverage for more dividend income?
temperament,
ReplyDeletePlease don't tell others you worked in a bucket shop before... (I suspect you worked 1 day and got fired)
How to short without leverage:
1) Securities Borrowing and Lending - SBL. Borrow from broker and short.
2) CFD - Put $50K into CFD account but use $45K to short. Where got leverage?
3) Short the shares you currently owned - no need CFD or borrow from SBL. Just sell and buy back at lower price ;)
Ignorance still got help.
Saying the emperor got wear clothes... You ownself help ownself!
Agreed with smol "short" your shares you owned in Round X to X X until you get KO. No margin calls. Only take Panadols when it goes wrong!
ReplyDeleteCW,
DeleteIf we are giving a workshop on how to Trust and Verify, we can use this tread as case study ;)
LOL!
Say don't know now say have done it before... Hee, hee.
Not FOC?
Show me how you long stocks then?
Cyberspace full of dragons and snakes.
Slippery ones are not dragons ;)
True. We like to bluff ourselves when come to market with so many "proven" methods as shown by many and yet when come to ourselves in the market we lose money.
ReplyDeleteWhy like that?
Why?
temperament,
ReplyDeleteSee how much progress you have made in a day?
From: I don't know and can anyone show me how to short without leverage?
To: I go double-check about CFD (you making a comment about CFD when you have not once tried it?)
To: I now have all the answers! Thank you very much!
;)
In case you were wondering what has transpired? That's the power of coaching!
Agree not agree does not matter. Makes sense not make sense not important too.
I can feel the PASSION and STRONG EMOTIONS in your every word! Now that's coming from deep WITHIN temperament ;)
Imagine if you had shared with us your bad expperiences or personal discomfort with shorting from the very beginning. Even if there's a legitimate way to short without leverage, you wouldn't do it.
See the difference?
It was never about leverage or CFD or brokerage having all the cards ;)
We don't have to worry over fighting with one arm or both arm. One arm swordsman is very powerful too.
ReplyDeleteOne arm pull up and one arm push up is very powerful.
temperament,
ReplyDeleteSuperb! Just say what you really feel and think! Its OK one. Really!
All mutual funds can long only like you too. The same goes for ETFs (unless its a short ETF).
For active long only fund managers, if they are bearish, they would get into higher percentage of cash. That's the only way they can mitigate the "loses" in a bear market. Relative performance remember?
If STI drops -20% and their funds "only" sank -8%, its outperformance for the win!
Can ETF managers get into higher cash? Outperformance on the way up may not translate to on the way down... Let's see whether active mutual funds will beat passive ETFs in the next bear market. It would be interesting!
One arm swordsman is indeed powerful! Totally agree with Cw :)
Provided we don't fall asleep on the wheel like in 2008...
Notice how much cash CW is holding now?
Shhh....
Trump loved celebrating the stock market surge in 2017, but he's been quiet about this year's declines
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